#15: Why it’s Good to be Home with Mika + Russ Perry, Founder & CEO of Design Pickle
Today’s podcast episodes will challenge all of us who are entrepreneurs, leaders, CEOs with an important question.
Which of the below comes first in your life?
Your business
Self-care, spiritual life, and mindfulness
Your marriage
Many entrepreneurs struggle with the default answer of #1 - that business always comes first because there is always something to tend to as leaders that feels ultra-urgent, and there is often some kind of fire that needs to be put out when we are running a growing business.
Today's interview is brimming with words of wisdom from Russ Perry, Founder & CEO of Design Pickle, and his wife and podcast co-host, Mika Perry. They share how prioritizing the business negatively affected their relationship and why their marriage was almost over before they managed to save it.
Interestingly enough, this realization was a foray into the most profitable, meaningful work of their lives and served as the impetus to Russ scaling his company to eight figures in revenue in a very short period of time.
Make sure to follow them on Instagram @mikaperry and @russperry or listen to their podcast here.
Are you ready to up level in your business? If you've already had massive success in your company and you're just ready for that next iteration, check out my free masterclass at www.scalewithjoy.com or head to the link in the show notes. In this short but very powerful training, I share exactly how to break through to that next level of exponential growth in your business and spoiler alert, it is not another program or formula. It is a custom approach for you based on your business and the very same strategies that I've used over and over with my own private consulting clients and national brands. That's www.scalewithjoy.com also available in the show notes. Now back to the show.
Listen to the Show:
Laura (00:00):
This is the Scale with Joy show, episode 15: good to be home with Mika and Russ Perry.
(00:09):
Welcome to the Scale with Joy show, a podcast about scaling your company while living your most purposeful life because here's the thing, there are no rules to say you can't grow a massively profitable empire and have joy in the everyday. My name is Laura Meyer and let's get started.
(00:34):
Quiz time. Which of the following should come first? Taking care of your business, taking care of yourself or taking care of your spouse. Many entrepreneurs may be tempted to answer the business always comes first or when we really are honest with ourselves, it might be something that we accidentally default to. But today, Mika and Russ Perry tells us why it should really be the other way around. In this heartfelt interview, which is brimming with wisdom, Russ Perry, CEO and Founder of Design Pickle and his wife and podcast cohost Mika Perry tell us what it's like to be an entrepreneurial couple, how the business has affected their relationship and why their marriage was almost over before they managed to save it. If you're an entrepreneur and you're currently married or planning to get married, grab a notebook and listen up with your spouse. You're going to absolutely love this interview.
(01:29):
I am so grateful to be sitting here with Russ and Mika Perry. They are an incredible power couple. They're an entrepreneurial couple. Russ is the Founder and CEO of Design Pickle. Maybe you have used them before, you've seen their ads in their newsfeed, but what we're going to share with you today is the story behind that story and I'm so excited for you to listen in. So welcome Russ and Mika, thank you for being here.
Russ (01:54):
Thank you so much.
Mika (01:54):
Thanks for having us.
Laura (01:56):
So if you wouldn't mind just sharing a little bit about your backgrounds and then how you're working today as a couple.
Mika (02:01):
Well I am Mika Perry. I am a former stockbroker, actually turned it elementary school teacher turned professional organizer, turn blogger and podcaster now. So I work fully in the online space now and I used to run a professional organizing company here in Scottsdale, but it was under a licensed brand and I grew that quite significantly and that was my first real taste into entrepreneurship. And where I found out that that's where my passion of heart was and the funny thing is that Russ over here had been an entrepreneur for about eight, nine years of our marriage and even when we're dating. That was kind of, you know, I knew that that's how his journey was going to go and back then I just kept saying, why can't you have a 9-5 and disability and oh yeah, yeah, it's a hundred percent because at that point my experience was corporate and teaching and so it was very stable and I also didn't really know what entrepreneurship meant to me. It sounded like you try a bunch of different things and see what sticks. Not necessarily like you are the business owner and eventually CEO and founder of something bigger, which is what was Russ' plan down the road at the time and you'll hear a little bit here is that we had a lot of stop and go, a lot of failures and a lot of uncertainty and insecurity too, so working through that was big for us.
Russ (03:37):
Hi everyone. Thanks for having us Laura. You know the one antidote to put into that story is I quit a really great job at my dream company to become an entrepreneur and working actually for Apple at the time and to get a job at Apple. It was the second time I had a job with them once was in college. I got hired after college. I was working for the company that I had always been like enamored with my whole life and I remember coming to Mika as we were dating kind of like, I just don't think this is for me, which I couldn't believe I was saying that, but I had kind of a few side hustles going on with graphic design in particular and knew that that was less about the design work and more about that strategic problem solving that comes with being your own business owner and was able to leave that company and really give it a go with running a creative agency.
(04:35):
And when Mika says there was a lot of failures, she's not joking, they're mainly mine for sure to take ownership of them. Built up my first creative marketing branding agency for almost six years or so and ended up closing that and partnering in like a, like a rebirth of it, if you will, with a partner in Argentina and tried more traditional advertising agency work and that was a great experience overall. I learned so much about business and I think a lot of what I do now in the international scope that we extracted from that agency, but ultimately, I couldn't get it off the ground. There weren't profits, Mika and I, you know, there was a famous or infamous Christmas, the credit card Christmas is what I call it and it was just like, why are we doing what is going on? What is all of this work and sweat and literal tears and challenges, challenges in our marriage that ended up transpiring throughout all of that only to be left with like no, nothing, not no profits, negative profits when you're using credit cards for things.
(05:40):
And sadly I had to close the business. I know Laura, you have a similar story of having to walk away from your life's work, at least at the time. That's what we had to do in 2014 and I can't tell you how hard that decision was simply because you know, we had a hard time in our marriage in 2012 we got through that and then I'm coming home to say, oops, I'm unemployed. I closed my business; I voluntarily closed this business. Mika really stuck through it. I mean at that point she was like; we'll get through it. We'll figure it out.
Laura (06:12):
Mika, what was happening for you at that time, like what was going through your head?
Mika (06:16):
Russ, you know, had just mentioned, we've gone through a really tough part in our marriage in 2012 and so we were kind of coming out of that, so I was ready for a little bit of stepping into something a little bit bigger and greater and taking a risk and kind of transforming our lives purposefully, intentionally. You know what? Everything we just did was terrible. Let's start new. Let's have a fresh start. It can only go up from here. I thought that Russ looked relieved. He didn't seem too sad that he closed this business. It was almost like this giant weight off the shoulder and after we had unloaded a lot of our marriage weight on our shoulders and worked through that, then I could see that he had also offloaded something else that was weighing heavily on him and clearly not working.
(07:04):
You know when you're not turning a profit, obviously there's a bunch of warning signs there and to say, you know, to see him admit to that and want to make a change was just a continuation of what have we had been working on in our marriage.
Laura (07:18):
And I know Russ, you took some time off right after that period to kind of think about what was going to be next for you. Now Mika, were you working outside the home at that time or were you guys kind of going through that together?
Mika (07:30):
Yes, actually that was like at the height of my professional organizing career. So that's when I was working with a business coach. That's when I had a team of about six, seven organizers. I had two lead organizers. I was like running full speed ahead. And then Russ is kind of like working through his stuff and figuring out.
Russ (07:50):
I was living a very nice consultant life after I closed the business. Like no employees, no schedule, no office rent to pay.
Mika (07:59):
Yeah. But you know, at the flip side of that is that once Russ offloaded that, you know, the past agency, he was able to support me as I was realizing my professional goals and my dreams and had he had been, you know, kind of in his muck, I don't know if he would have been able to do that. And it was really helpful because he was a huge help to me realizing, you know, what I wanted to do too.
Laura (08:25):
It's really hard for both people to be hitting the gas pedal at the same time.
Mika (08:28):
It is. Yeah. It can be. And there's definitely times since then that we both, I would say like right now we are both hitting the gas pedal kind of at the same time. We're both, you know, thinking of growth in all different areas of our lives. But because we've had all that experience now where we kind of took turns, we found out what we both needed in our roles and our personalities both in our personal lives and also as business owners, what works for us and what doesn't. And so now I think there is a really good like synergy there.
Laura (08:58):
Is there any kind of tip you would provide to somebody who's in a similar position that maybe it's two entrepreneurs trying to figure out who's going to go, who's going to release the gas pedal a little bit and like how to navigate that?
Russ (09:12):
So let's declare, Mika and I in 2012 we went through an affair. That was like a huge, huge issue, obviously. Now we have our podcast, first episode of our podcast has like dives into the details so we're going to use, if you want to listen to details, we freely share it there. It's too long for this interview, but we developed Ninja level communication skills throughout all of that around a very heavy personal topic. Now getting into the business stuff, it kind of almost seem lighter or easier. We were really proactive in communication. We were really clear with that question of like, well what do you want? I mean, Mika's challenged me many times with that question, and I with her, what specifically do you want? So as a result of our personal growth and counseling, which was mission critical in getting through a lot of that professional counseling and professional coaching, we had like created a new way of engaging in our eighth year being together.
(10:19):
I mean it was like this level up, if you will, of our relationship. So the business challenges we tackled with the same strategies and not always perfectly, but that heightened level of communication. And I will say, and I don't know Mika, if I told you this before, when Mika stepped into the entrepreneurial space, it was like I understood the secret language that she never really cared much about talking. Like I had like I was bilingual and entrepreneureze and like no one at my home spoke it except for me. And so when she stepped into it during all this time, it was like, oh my gosh, you're like, let's talk about marketing. Let's talk about this. Let's talk. You want to talk about time management? I'm all in.
(11:05):
That was a huge connector for us. We weren't working in the same businesses like I would help her, she's helped me plenty, but that was a common cocreation thing which we strongly believe is essential for couples, is like you have to be creating together to continue to grow, and kids don't count, like kids are in like a moment, in a fraction of that time and then got this job the rest of your life. So like this is like fun creation with it. And that was this other new thing in that time that was happening. So the communication skills, the common language of entrepreneurship. And then I think like Mika said, the third thing was the solidarity that we'd gotten through this really heavy thing. Now let's move on with this new chapter.
Mika (11:52):
Even if we haven't gotten quote unquote through the worst, there was still like, it wasn't like we were done and our marriage was going to be fine. It's like we learned some of the toughest lessons that we had learned through Russ' affair and surrounding sobriety. It was a huge factor in a lot of our lowest points. And so you know, now we know what that can look like and of course we've learned through that. But for me I would say one huge thing of a couple working together and even actually if you're not in a relationship with someone but just even by yourself is to take care of you and take care of your home and take care of those immediately around you first and then your business will reflect that. It's often the other way around. Like you think, you know, if I invest in my business, if I become successful there, if I learn all the skills and show that I am worthy in my business, then my family life will be better. I will be somehow healthier; I will be happier. And that is certainly not the case. And that's what we learned. That's what we were trying to do. We were trying to be successful outside all the while realizing that like it all started with us.
Laura (13:03):
So much good stuff there. So Mika, what would you say now that you were on the outside, now you're on the inside. It's just somebody says, my husband or my wife doesn't get it. They don't get it. They don't get this entrepreneurial thing here at a lot.
Mika (13:19):
I do too. I hear it a lot and I think it's hard because one of the biggest things is just patience, patience and communication. And if you sense that your spouse wants to be in on it a little bit more, then include them somehow find a way. And if not, then just be patient. You know, don't expect that person. You can't force someone to care and you can't force someone to be interested. So if it's not there, then find all the other ways that you can connect over something. Then you can keep your business and your entrepreneurial life, so to speak somewhat separate, not completely, but you know, if they don't want to be involved, that's okay. But one thing that really helped Russ and I is learning our love languages. We've even learned our kids love languages. Oh it's so great. It's such a really easy tool that we still like think about now. You know, even when we have disagreements, Russ and I actually just had a weekend of disagreeing and it really came down to like our love languages were not being met.
Russ (14:26):
And I will add too or like Mika was on the, I don't support you entrepreneurial wagon for a while, so she, she was in there and one of my key coaches, his whole thing was look, stop talking about the greatness of entrepreneurship and start just getting results and anyone in this space of entrepreneurship is kidding themselves if they're not, if they're not focused on the ultimate end game of a for profit business, which is like a dollar profits and you want to actually have an excess of value that you've created as measured by money and dollars and you use that for Goodwill and yourself and all of these powerful things, charities, and I was like, okay, well I'm just going to stop talking about this and I'm just going to start being committed to the results of the business. That was the best advice I received probably ever because it showed me look like there's a lot of people who will go through the motions of being entrepreneurs, but they're not really committing to the end result of it, which is something to then leverage into expanding yourself and how we measure that.
(15:44):
And I specifically remember it was 2016 and I was just like, Design Pickle was young. It was, it wasn't, it wasn't by far successful as we measure it today, but I was just like, I just gotta focus. I got this; this must work this like I have to get this. And I had micro targets. I kept meeting every month, every month, every month. And that was like the secret language of getting Mika on board was there was results to show from it. We took our first ever like summer beach vacation ever in 2016 and it was like amazing. It was paid for by the money we made from that. I mean for anyone watching this or listening to this who has a partner or a spouse that isn't on board, there might be some hard reflection to say, where am I not actually getting results and how can I change that?
Laura (16:48):
Yes. Poorly worded helpful feedback.
Russ (16:52):
Exactly. That's a great way, poorly worded but helpful feedback.
Laura (16:56):
Yeah. When you get Curtis you have to kind of thing is it criticism or is it poorly worded or helpful feedback. I love for Brooke' Castillo's podcast. She's a mindset person and she always says that your spouse is only job is for you to love them. For somebody who's like an achiever like we probably are and all the listeners are, sometimes you might have all these expectations for how the other person should be showing up and I'm like sometimes I'll have that conversation with myself like my husband's job, only job is for me to love him and that's helpful for me.
(17:30):
Are you ready to up level in your business? If you've already had massive success in your company and you're just ready for that next iteration, check out my free masterclass at scalewithjoy.com or head to the link in the show notes. In this short but very powerful training, I share exactly how to break through to that next level of exponential growth in your business and spoiler alert, it is not another program or formula. It is a custom approach for you based on your business and the very same strategies that I've used over and over with my own private consulting clients and national brands. That's scalewithjoy.com also available in the show notes. Now back to the show. Now, back to the show.
(18:16):
The other thing I'm curious about is a lot of people have tough stories. Your tough story was within your marriage, some people's taught stories are within their childhood or maybe they experienced it while scaling, they may have experienced betrayal. That was something that I really struggled with earlier today. I recorded Marshawn Daniel's Evans and she had to call off her wedding the week of her wedding because she found out her fiancé was having an affair. Lots of stuff going on. Right. At what point did you decide, you know what, we're going to be vulnerable with this story and we're going to talk about it. Was that a conscious decision or was it something that just kind of happened naturally for you?
Mika (18:52):
It was conscious in that Russ wrote a book about it, so there was no going back after that.
Russ (19:03):
With a lot of permission and a lot of conversation.
Mika (19:04):
He didn't just like, you know, surprise me with a gift all about our struggles. But yeah, the book was like...
Russ (19:13):
The book was The Sober Entrepreneur by the way.
Mika (19:16):
That was definitely cathartic for Russ to write and get that out. That was also like a final healing process. I think of writing that book, which in turn has helped others, which I'm so proud of. And then after he did that, there was a point I actually like kind of made it be known. I knew that it was going to come, it was going to happen because Russ had now started talking about it on his side. And so I knew I had to eventually, especially also being kind of in a public online space when people starting to follow both of us. And then I actually got the courage to share, actually it was from going to a church group and someone had spoken about it. It was like a mom's group and I took that as like God's sign.
(19:59):
And so that afternoon I came home and wrote the blog post and like close my computer screen and then like it went and so the few days after following that was just a ton of outpouring of communication. This is something people don't talk a lot about and that was the whole point. My social media feed is pretty much like really pretty pictures of organizing and I purposely was like, we had a, like our marriage was like over and we like saved it and we brought it back and we did that and so go read about it. And since then it's been great. It's been my favorite part is to still keep sharing the organizing and the positive and do everything in a really positive way, but then talk about things like addiction and affairs and depression and all these things in a way that's like, hey, we don't have to always be negative about this stuff. Like let's acknowledge it in a truthful way. How we can grow from that. It's not the end of the world.
Laura (20:56):
Yeah, there's a lot of freedom in that.
Russ (20:58):
Oh yeah, very much so. That's another reason I wrote it. As, you know, living a life fully in the light without anything, any secrets, like you're the most powerful person in the room and that is something that is, not everyone obviously goes through what we went through, but there are always challenges people have and if you're willing to, if you show by example that you're willing to dive into the hard stuff, it's going to encourage others to do the same at whatever level they're at. And I knew from our experiences that this was going to be a travesty because statistically speaking, we're an anomaly, you know, like to be able to come out of this on the other end. So what we wanted to stand as a beacon of encouragement, that it is hard, but it is possible. And if we could, we can impact one person either in the story around our relationship and our marriage or sobriety, which both Mika and I have chosen that path for different reasons then great. If it's one person, now I get messages every week about that impacting people. And you know, there was zero business strategy. There's no, this is not a lead gen book offer for Design Pickle. I've spent way more money and time on this than I've received and that's my mission. And that was the way I was going to help make this experience positive and Mika's done the same. She's chosen that same path.
Mika (22:28):
Yeah. And also like the way we came to these struggles in our lives was because we were stuffing everything down and not talking about it. We were lonely in our marriage, you know, we were not living together in many ways. And so I know that that is a heart ache people who go through similar struggles is that they just feel lonely about it. So part of our mission is just helping them alleviate them.
Laura (22:55):
Yeah. And I'm sure all the struggles in entrepreneurship layered on top of that could an isolated isolation as well. So moving into design pickle. So I'm like calculating this as you're saying this, I'm like, this wasn't that long ago. Like all of this was not that long ago. And you then you went on to scale. So if somebody in your position that you were in three or four years ago, and they're kind of like looking for that light at the end of the tunnel, right. You grew Design Pickle significantly in a short period of time, is that right?
Russ (23:26):
Yeah, but it started with getting my house in order. I mean that was the secret. That was the secret was like, I worked for eight and a half years. I'm trying to scale a business, not realizing that I had this huge energy leak in myself at home. Like there wasn't connection and this foundation with Mika and then our family. So how was I ever going to build anything big? When my foundation wasn't set and we built our foundation. I mean quite literally like got out shovels, dug a new hole. We built a new house that we now live in. That's brand new that we joke it's called the house that pickle built because it's all from that. But for me, focusing on the relationship was the key to scaling the business because then I had purpose and connection that mattered and that was fuel for me to grow from zero in revenue in January 2015 to, you know, we're doing over a million dollars a month now with our revenue. So it's like, it’s incremental that I'm so blown away by the growth we just made the Inc 500 list this week, last week, fastest companies. That is because I know my home is covered. I mean Mika and I are solid. We do have arguments like the other weekend. We're still, we're real.
Laura (24:58):
Yeah. Can I dig into, if somebody is in that moment right now where their business's not scaling, right, and it's an inside job and everything, they're doing, all the hires, all of the people that are coming in that aren't working out the way that they want and all the stories that tend to happen when we're scaling. What are some of the things that you might help them with to really realize this is an inside job but I don't know where to start.
Russ (25:25):
In my training and I'm, and I do one on one coaching and training, based on what I learned, you always want to start with where you have the most locus of control. And so business is where we have the least amount of control that's counterintuitive. Like we think like, oh, I show up, I can do this, I can create this marketing, but we have the least amount of control. Our bodies, our physical bodies and our mind in that order. Bodies and mind is where we have the most control. And it's not easy. But you know, this morning I went and I swam for half an hour with the coach because I, I'm, I'm working on my physical health, which affects my mental health that I can control easy. I either do it or I don't like there's nothing outside granted, maybe like a car problem and then I could ride my bike even to get to the, so where we get mixed up is we pour all of our energy into things and we have the least amount of control on and ignore what we have the most amount of control. But you have to invert that and you have to focus on yourself first. Like Mika was saying, your body and your mind. Then you take a baby step into that others category and that's your family, your spouse, your team and your business. It's easy to say, and I know it's hard to practice, but people were having the business problems. I just say, just take a break and focus on you for a little bit and you'll have this miraculous discovery that wow, once I start taking care of myself, which is easier to do, my business starts following in line.
Mika (27:08):
And I noticed this shift even, you know, every day for me why we talk about morning routines and night routine so much like at least I do, you do too Russ and then we do on the podcast is because that's, you know, especially as a mom, as a parent too, it's how I find more space in my life for myself. I think a lot of people say, well I don't have time for self-care. I don't have time to take care of myself. We have to create that time. And the way to create that is by going through the things that you do have control over. And especially in motherhood, you know, raising kids at the same time as growing a business is really challenging and it can seem like you have zero control in life. And I think one of the things that's really taxing as a parent is when you can't predict anything, everything seems chaotic.
(27:52):
Like it's just, you're, you're in a reaction mode all the time. And so what has really helped me is I go through the motions of routines and that really helps me to gain clarity instantly switch like my, my energy and where my thoughts are at. I can, you know, like worry and anxiety and even like over this weekend I was starting to feel like so many things I need to do and this isn't going right and I got discouraged by seeing you know, other people's success and I'm not doing that even though I want to do that. And then I just kind of go through like what I know is going to help me. I really dove deep into my night routine yesterday to take care of my body and my mind. I have all these ritualistic things of like of scent and sound and feeling and just creating just like what I want my life to be around me. And then your thoughts kind of follow. So you just kind of do the actions of like the mind mindset that you want to be in and then you'll notice that you'll kind of fall into that. And then that has like the trickle effect of like my kids start acting like a little less crazy and my business starts getting a little bit more in line and my creative motivation starts coming back. So,
Russ (29:03):
And I go to sleep much earlier than Mika does. So eventually I'm out of the way cause I'm not causing any more problems.
Laura (29:13):
And is such a beautiful sentiment and something you don't hear that much is that I think you're right. Like when things feel out of control, we look outside of ourselves, we look at the outside world, we read the news on our, on our iPad, like obsessing about what could happen to our kids, right. Instead of the things that we actually do have control over. And that's the relationships we have with ourselves and the ones around us. And that's a tough realization. It was really, I was listening to Amy Porterfield's podcast a few weeks ago and she was saying how she saw Dave Ramsey speak live for the first time and how he had said, you know, things aren't basically like if things aren't going the way that you want them to your company, like look in the mirror, it's you. And she goes and when I heard him say that, I said you shut your mouth. The more I listened, the more I realized, oh it is me. And it made me laugh cause that was the first thing I heard when I heard him say that too. And then I realized.
Russ (30:11):
I want to add like there's one simple thing that I did early on and Mika and I do it now is to help to help with this process. And that's like really literally getting clear and writing down what it is you're looking for in the day, that quarter inside of your business. And like it's like that question, that simple but hard question. What do you want? Being afraid to answer that or avoiding those answers you're going to feel out of control. Cause you're not, you're not going towards your just sort of going through the motions of life but there's no defined destination. So yeah, you're going to feel at times lost for stressed or overwhelmed. And for me like even before this podcast, like I'm so crazy about writing, like even in like the next hour, the next like for this podcast, what is it? So that I am, I'm on track, I have a feeling like there's some guardrails on the road that are keeping me in mind. And that to me is like one of the most practical strategies for folks when you're feeling this feeling and then it becomes like this solution just to say with Dave Ramsey, like what he said, like the person in the mirror finally, like you kind of know what that person wants and you can start helping that person get to that destination.
Laura (31:37):
That’s beautiful, and they have to say from the outside, right, I'm listening to you and I'm like, they are so full of wisdom. Learn these the hard way. You know, like you don't come out of the womb with this level of intuition and knowledge and understanding and self-awareness and self-acceptance. Like it's something we train ourselves and we usually find it in the valleys, not in the peaks unfortunately. Right? Fortunately or unfortunately.
Russ (32:11):
Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's one reason why we continually try to share it and do, for example, why we started our podcast Good to be Home was if we don't take time to reflect on it and like take a peak in the valley or pull back the curtain of the valley, then it's that moment's lost. And you know, we, we grow just as much from sharing that content as we hope others grow.
Laura (32:34):
I'm sure. Yeah. And it's so encouraging because there will be a lot of people who are in valley right now that are not feeling joyful about what is in front of them. And seeing your experience turned into such a beautiful outcome is that is really inspiring. So it's just about time for us to wrap up. You have a way in which people can really think through their home productivity. Right. And I wasn't sure whose brainchild that was. I'm kind of thinking Mika but I'm not sure. Would you mind just speaking to what people can enjoy by clicking on that opportunity?
Mika (33:17):
Yeah, so this is a productivity and time management kind of cheat sheet. What Russ and I love to do is kind of make things simple and easy to do and make things really practical, especially really big thoughts and ideas and topics. And like we mentioned before, action is really important to us. Like once you start taking action, that's when the momentum, so this cheat sheet is meant to help you achieve that two resources link, t are some of our two most popular podcast episodes on some of our daily habits and strategies like time blocking. So that'll kind of get you started on our podcast. But in our podcast, Good to be Home, we do talk about all sorts of topics, parenting, marriage. I'm a stepmom, we have a 14-year-old as well and children together. So even that, and then we love travel. So sharing, travel tips. And then organization. I love organizing, so we share that. So really it is, our tagline is about balancing business and life. And that's exactly what this podcast is.
Laura (34:18):
People need it. I know. I'm really excited to download it myself. I think every entrepreneur who is scaling and wants to be joyful of doing it will benefit. So I just want to thank the two of you for just sharing your story, sharing your wisdom, sharing so much of yourself. know that so many people are inspired and excited about what's next for them because of what you shared. And also, I'm going to encourage all the listeners to check out your podcast for more great tips.
Russ (34:47):
Awesome, thanks for much for having us Laura, we really appreciate it.
Laura (34:47):
Great to see you again and thank you so much, Mika.
Mika (34:50):
You're welcome. Thanks for having us.
Laura (34:51):
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The Scale with Joy podcast dives into the mindset and strategies of scaling your company to the million dollar mark and beyond. Each week, we follow the journeys of innovators, disruptors, experts and leaders - sharing behind the scenes stories of their most challenging moments and greatest lessons learned-all while building their multi-million dollar empires.